SPEAKER_02 0:41

Danielle. Recently we had somebody ask us if we both go by Danielle. Do you go by Danielle?

SPEAKER_01 0:48

I do. I had some cousins that tried to call me Danny and I shot it down. And actually, my cousin wanted to name her daughter after me, but went with Danny. And I like. Oh, you like daughter. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, I actually most of my family call me D now.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

D, yeah. We get I get D a lot too. I used to be called dirty D when I worked at camp. I worked, it was at a camp. It was at a camp. A Christian camp. It was because we were always dirty.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Christian camp. Wow, this is a good turn.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

This is going in the wrong direction. I wanted it to go.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

But when she asked, when she asked this through. If people both, if we both go by Danielle, she's referring to our guest today. Yeah. We've actually our producer actually coined his new nickname, which we'll get to. But it's Patrick Pullium. He's here today. And he is a local realtor and also a head of the patio.

SPEAKER_02 1:43

Patio community, otherwise known as patio social. So the patio community is a group of people, and then the patio social is the events that they hold that you can come to in person.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

And our producer has coined patio pat. And I really want to hear maybe Pat. What's your take on Patio Pat?

SPEAKER_04 2:01

Great name. So our producer, I'm going to call him that, did not come up with Patio Pat, but he did on the spot just invent it right there. So what I said was that I was calling myself Patio Pat, which is an ego play. Now being called Patio Pat from Brock coins me as Patio Pat. When someone else gives you a nickname, you can now go buy it. So publicly I'm Patio Pat now. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:22

100%. Oh, we're calling you Patio Pat forevermore.

Growing Up Rogers Then Tyler

SPEAKER_01 2:26

I will always remember you as Patio Pat. I think it's a great nickname. I do too. So before we get into everything that you do and your family life, how did you come to Northwest Arkansas? Are you from here or are you a transplant?

SPEAKER_04 2:38

I'm a native.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

Native.

SPEAKER_04 2:41

Born and raised in Rogers.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:43

In an amazing little subdivision called Bloomfield off of New Hope Road.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:48

If you want to know where it is, it's right across the street from the brand new Whole Foods. Okay. Over in that area.

SPEAKER_03 2:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:55

So our neighborhood overlooked what used to be farmland is now Promenade Mall. Yes. And so I'm pre I'm pre-Mall in Rogers, which is cool. So it's been great to see. But a lot of my childhood spent in Rogers, a second part of my childhood in Tyler, Texas.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

You don't want to know something really. I knew she was going to be so excited. Okay, well, hold on. This is weird because I literally on the way here was listening to the song Tyler on the way over here. Which I don't know if you know the Toadies, because you are from the 90s, but I knew it.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

You are from the 90s.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

Well, he is I know. I thought he might have been a 2000 and birth year, because my sister's 2000. And I make fun of her all the time because 2000 and and no one thinks you can even like drink, but people forget it's 2026.

SPEAKER_03 3:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

But anyway, Tyler, yeah. So look the song up. It's a weird song. But no, it's it's the Toadies are from Tyler.

SPEAKER_04 3:50

So have you been to Tyler?

SPEAKER_01 3:52

I have been to Tyler. Alright. I'm from Dallas. Oh, good. All right. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

We keep inviting people from Texas on Disney.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

We're all coming here. So you were born in Rogers, lived in Tyler. And how long did you live there before you returned?

SPEAKER_04 4:06

Nine years. I came back to Northwest Arkansas at 18 and started my life from there. So I was a rambunctious kid in Tyler, a rebel of sorts. Okay. And sorted my life out, moved to Northwest Arkansas. Born a Razorbacks fan, so thought, okay, gap year, go to the U of A. And I just did not do it at all. That's when I got into real estate and have been uneducated and selling houses ever since.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

Uneducated. I feel like there's a trend in not feeling like you have to go to college to be successful in the business world. And I think that a lot of entrepreneurs are. I actually was reading an article the other day about how most entrepreneurs usually had some sort of learning disability like ADD or dyslexia. And because traditional school, and that's not to say all of them are like that, but people that just going to school was not for them, it usually become entrepreneurs. And I think there's something to that. You're just more independent.

Pat’s Hats And Early Hustle

SPEAKER_04 5:03

Yeah. Totally. I'm one of those ADD kid. And I think when you're that way, your gears are, you know, turning in your mind, and you're sitting in a classroom and it just never clicks until you find something you're actually passionate about. For some people, that's Legos or like whatever. Yeah. For me, it happened to be business related. And so I really started to go later in high school. I I created my first business. Oh it's called Pat's Hats.

SPEAKER_02 5:27

Pat's hats. I want a Pat hat. Do you still sell Pat's hats?

SPEAKER_04 5:32

No, I don't.

SPEAKER_02 5:33

Do you have any vintage Pat hats?

SPEAKER_04 5:35

I do.

SPEAKER_01 5:36

Yes. Ah, you should have brought one today. We'll get it. Are you wearing one? Did you bring one?

SPEAKER_04 5:39

No. Oh.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Okay, tell us about Pat's hats. Yeah, I want to hear about this.

SPEAKER_04 5:43

I was inspired to create a brand that I liked in high school. So doodled on sheets in school while I wasn't doing schoolwork and came up with this amazing Pat's hats logo. It actually doubles as uh a PH that also doubles as a caricature of a person wearing a hat. The P and the H make a character. I'll show you.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

Nice. No, I'm imagining exactly. I'm imagining it too.

SPEAKER_04 6:08

So I started to kind of run with that idea. I partnered with a local embroidery company. Um I think the guy felt bad for me because I didn't know what I was doing, so he let me come in, use the vinyl press machine to put the logo on trucker hats and stuff like that. And then I sold them out of my trunk at school.

SPEAKER_02 6:25

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 6:26

And learned a lot of business lessons. We printed business cards. Wow. And we had an outdoor campus, okay, in Tyler, Texas. So everyone walks outdoors, sidewalks between classes to lunch. So we littered quotation marks, you know, dropped business cards all over campus. So people just saw the logo, saw the logo, saw the logo, and it became very popular. And uh the biggest thing that happened with that business, I might I might have made a few thousand dollars. It wasn't a big business. It was a hobby business. Oh, yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_03 6:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:58

And our hometown, I don't know if you guys had this where you grew up, but there's one dance a year. We called it the Bells Ball, uh, but where the girls ask the guys versus the other. Yeah, Sadie Hawkins. Yeah, Sadie Hawkins dance. Yeah, yeah. And so a girl, you you all you use a prop and a sign and stuff like that. So a girl set up this whole sign that I forget what it says, but she used a Pat's hat as a prop to ask her boyfriend to the dance. And they were posting about it and stuff, and I was like, oh my gosh, I made it. Like we're being used in props for dances and stuff. So uh it was really cool.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

That's fun. Young entrepreneur.

SPEAKER_02 7:35

I love it. I think that there's something to be said about just how different people work and operate. Kind of what like you were saying is that sometimes traditional schooling is not for everyone. And I think that they're I think that that is something that's not talked about enough, you know. Like if you have a kid that maybe is like in school that's not getting whatever grades you expect them to get, that doesn't mean they can't be successful in life. I think that oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:00

My kids have asked me, well, what if I don't want to go to college? I know that they do, and they're probably just asking. And I said honestly, it doesn't bother me as long as you have a plan and you know that you're not gonna live here forever.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

Yeah.

College Versus Building A Network

SPEAKER_01 8:12

Like you're gonna have to eventually we'll make a plan for you if you want to start a business. But yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna force my kids to because I have too many friends that went to school and have student loan debt and they didn't finish, and maybe they felt pressure to go. My uncle also had dyslexia, and he tried to go to AM, and I don't know that he finished, but he never, I don't think he did anything with his degree. But he ended up being an entrepreneur himself.

SPEAKER_04 8:38

So one thing to say on that is that my perspective as an outsider with college is that actually college, going to college, and the best thing you can do in college is build a network of people. So the friends you associate with, fraternities if you get into that, like the clubs, like those are people you'll know forever. And so if you don't go to college, you may not be tapped into a network of let's face it, maybe not all high-income, you know, family members, but people who are, you know, studied and going to school and stuff, those are good people to know. Yeah. And I have a lot of buddies who their fraternity brothers are always their first client in their new business and stuff. So that's the one thing that I, you know, I had to build outside of that networking and such that I think college is good for. But as long as you have a plan and kind of a course of action and you you have a little bit of go-getterness, I think you can you can go around college and as long as you don't need it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:30

Doctor, lawyer. So when you came back to Northwest Arkansas, how old were you again? 18. I came back at 18. Okay, at 18. All right. And the mall was built by then.

SPEAKER_03 9:39

Yes. It was just young, just my early years. Right.

Learning Real Estate Through People

SPEAKER_02 9:43

I'm just I'm just messing around. I'm just saying, like, I think the landscape of Northwest Arkansas. So when you came back, it had changed a significant amount. And so talk us through like what came next. You became a realtor, and then and then after realtor, what happened? Tell us what happened.

SPEAKER_04 10:00

We we have this cool thing in our family where you know our our family members, siblings, cousins are all very open to like inviting another family member, maybe younger, to come live with them for a time to kind of get things going. So I was lucky enough that my sister and my brother-in-law had just been married and invited me to come back to Arkansas. So that was kind of my my passageway back here. I had been connected to some people, but really didn't have much of a network here. So I just kind of blindly said I'm just gonna take off. I knew that Tyler was a little bit of an old money oil money town, and it just wasn't a place where I was gonna succeed. And so I had a little bit of foresight to just say I'm gonna take the the leap and go to Arkansas. It changed so much. It's crazy. I mean just crazy to see. Um, and I'm forgetting the question you asked, but that was fun to see.

SPEAKER_02 10:45

Yeah, it was just what was next? When did you leap into real estate?

SPEAKER_04 10:50

Yeah, so I waited tables, I you know, just kind of went and did stuff and got into real estate with my brother-in-law, his name's Brandon, and we got our licenses in 2018. I got my license in 2018, so eighth-year real estate professional, which is cool. I got into the business seeing it from an entrepreneur's perspective of it's a really good way to make money. Let's all be honest here. I wasn't some guy that was passionate about houses. Yeah. A lot of people that say they're passionate about houses in real estate are lying. Everyone gets into it going, oh, I don't have to go to school very long, and I can make a lot of money if I do the right thing. So it's not as easy as that. But Brandon, my brother-in-law, his his dad had mentioned that he might be selling his house sometime in the future. So we were like, great first client. So we went through the classes. He still never sold his house. He has not sold his house since then. So our first lead opportunity actually went nowhere. But yeah, I did that and then got my license and started to kind of find my way. Terrible cold caller, terrible salesperson. But it took me a year or so to get into it and really realize that networking and connecting with people was the avenue that was going to be best for me. And I leaned heavily into that.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

Cold calling is hard. I somehow got into this TikTok alg algorithm of cold calls gone wrong. And I love it. There is one, this is totally off topic, but it's so good. Of this woman from Equinox calling, and she messes up and starts cursing and is like obviously trying to press pound to re-record, and she's like, anyway, I'm so sorry if you could find in your heart to forgive me. I understand if you never want to call me back or hear from me again. Uh like I love hearing the kids so good. Cold calling is the work. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. But it takes time to get good. And to be comfortable in your own skin, especially when you're young and in sales and trying to network and you just move back.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

But I had to do cold calls when I was when I was in college, I did the like what was called the phonethon. And you had to call alumni and the phonethon. And it read the script. And oh, I hated it so much.

SPEAKER_04 13:06

You would think that alumni would be receptive to this.

SPEAKER_02 13:09

Oh, yeah, no, they were not. They're not that receptive. No. No. Like, no, I'm good. No, I'm good. You already took all my money. Private Christian university.

SPEAKER_04 13:51

You know, you're you're a random person calling for direct access to their wallet.

Marriage And A Blended Family

SPEAKER_02 13:56

So some people were awesome, but most were not. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

So for our listeners, Patio Pat has four children. And he's married. So we want to hear at what point did you meet your current wife and four kids? Tell us about what that's like.

SPEAKER_04 14:15

Emily and I met seven years ago. We've been married for three, almost four, and she's amazing. She's the hardest working woman I know. And she is more beautiful than the stars in the night sky.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 14:31

You can laugh all you want, Brock, but Brock is gonna.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

Our producer's crying. Listen, he makes songs, he writes songs for his family, and they sound like Brock are gonna collab on a few songs.

SPEAKER_04 14:43

I think you should actually. And I have I have four children. So the two older came with my wife, and the two youngers are mine by birth. So we have an amazing mixed family. And our oldest just turned 10 this weekend. So it is crazy. Boy or girl? Boy. Boy, okay. Boy, girl, girl, boy.

SPEAKER_02 15:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 15:06

And then the little one is a one-year-old, and he's he's mini pat.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

Mini Pat. Is his name Pat?

SPEAKER_04 15:11

PJ.

SPEAKER_02 15:13

Junior. PJ. That's so adorable.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

You got really good with the name Pat. Patio Pat and PJ. Yeah. Really great nickname Pat.

SPEAKER_04 15:23

Use the name Pat over and over again. It's working for me, I think.

How Patio Social Started

SPEAKER_02 15:28

I think it is working for you. All right. So you got married, you have kids, and then came the patio social or patio. What came first? Patio Social or Patio Community? Tell us that journey.

SPEAKER_04 15:40

Yeah, totally. We so to set the context in 2021, June of 2021, we celebrate our anniversary every year of patio social, but I hosted my first gathering. It was a patio celebration of sorts for clients and people in our industry for real estate. Okay. 2021 was a weird time because in 2020 we all know that the real estate market did a lot of weird things. It went down, it went up, a lot of weird things happened. And so as a young realtor, you just get lost. And it was suggested to me. I was being coached by a real estate professional coaching program, and they encouraged me heavily to have an event to celebrate your clients, get in front of their faces. The reason it was on the patio is because people were very sensitive to being indoors and close to each other. So the outdoor venue was that was the event. COVID. Yep. COVID. So the outdoor venue was our kind of workaround to not seem like we were bad people for being together. And we ran with it. We hosted a quarterly event for our clients, which turned into a large fun gathering where people would bring their friends out. We had music, we had drinks, it was just a really good time. And about two years ago, we officially became patio social. Rebranded. I took my face out of everything and said, this is going to be about the people, about the sponsors, we're going to provide opportunity, about the venues, and it's gotten a lot bigger since then.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

Okay, I hold on. I want to talk about Are we going back? Yeah, well, yeah, but you said something that brought back memories for me when you said you didn't want to seem like bad people for hosting indoors. And when I had my 36th birthday, it was during COVID, and I wanted to go big. I don't know why. I just felt like I really needed to party on my 36th birthday.

SPEAKER_03 17:26

Yeah. And party.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

I wanted a party bus and I went to Favel and I went to karaoke and I wanted, but it was during COVID. So it we kind of had to h like everyone, what is it, where you stay home and you were staying away from people so that you could get together. Social distancing. But we so okay. So but we still felt we couldn't post, we couldn't tell anyone that we got together because there was this extreme and it made me think of that how there was extreme pressure to not gather 10 or more people. I think we had like 12. But it brought me back when you said that. There was a crazy time.

SPEAKER_04 18:02

And as a as a person who wants to be out there, it was a little difficult. And I'm not against those who you know wanted to distance and and keep their space, but it did make it difficult. So but it was inevitable. We had to get together and do something. So we did it.

SPEAKER_02 18:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:17

To answer your question, patio community, we formed our Facebook group, a private group just to kind of let people in and be able to connect on more of a social platform. And so patio community was really just uh a way to say patio social is not just once a month and then we disappear. We have a community that's always going. You can post, you can reach out to people, we have things, and so that really helped our brand kind of become a every day of the month thing versus we pop up and then we disappear and then we pop up again. Because an event can be limiting for sure. Yeah. So um, yeah, that's where the patio community thing came into play. Awesome.

Three Pillars Behind The Community

SPEAKER_02 18:52

So it started as a chance for you to meet with your clients, and it was very realter base, and now it's moved into something more. What what do you think is the heart behind what you're doing? Like what is what is your goal and what are your purposes now as it has shifted?

SPEAKER_04 19:10

It's like a three-part thing. We have kind of three pillars. We want to connect individuals locally and build a strong local base of people that want to be out there and want to know more about the businesses that are local here in Northwest Arkansas and the venues and and the restaurants. You also have to think too, bringing back to COVID again. This is not a COVID conversation, but I keep bringing it up. Restaurants were not doing well in COVID at all. So the inspiration to get people out to see these places in a new light was really a part of kind of my journey in creating the brand. So we want to support the venues that we're going to and highlight them and showcase them, and Ponderosa Mountain, where we're our March event is a great example of that because they don't have a large marketing budget, their family-owned venue, and we're able to go out, create video content, tell a bunch of people about it, and bring a huge event out there as well. So they get a lot of opportunity from that. The second thing is small businesses that maybe are not as marketable. So our sponsors are a lot of just local businesses. Our friend Erica Young's moving service. We have electricians, plumbers, some of these businesses that are less pretty for social media. We get to promote them to our audience. And our our brand is really cool. So kind of being a part of that for them is great. And it gives them social proof of being a good business.

SPEAKER_02 20:30

Yeah. Well, those are all businesses that people need. People need them. They want to know someone that runs it. Oh, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_04 20:38

Versus Google suggesting them.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

100%. Yeah. And because those kind of things happen at the last minute, you know, like you have issues with your roof, you have issues with your plumbing. You're gonna have issues with just about anything if you own a home or a car or anything. If you have children, if you have, you know, there's always, you know, there's always something going on.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

I remember very To me, there's always something breaking.

SPEAKER_02 21:03

There's always something breaking. Every appliance I've ever owned. Yeah. Ever owned. Have you ever ruined a holiday by breaking something?

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Like breaking my manners by saying something I shouldn't.

SPEAKER_02 21:20

No, I burst a pipe when I was in college and I was home for Easter and I was hanging something up on the wall, and well, I hammered into a pipe. No, but my mother flooded. Oh, it was real bad. It was awful. My dad was so mad. He was like, How did you do this? And I was like, I have no idea. And it was like everything, it ruined the entire like we they had to turn off the water or nobody could come out. Like it was like a whole thing. It was a whole thing. And the best part was like I was standing on a bed and I was hammering it over the bed. And then I like felt it hit something, and I was like, oh, that I don't think that was good. And so I'm not thinking, I'm like, I need to pull it out. No, I gotta pull this out because this doesn't feel right. Pull it out, and all of a sudden, water just starts pouring in through the hole. Hot water, mind you. And at first, I'm like holding it with my hands and I'm screaming for my dad. And he's like out in the backyard and he looks in through the window and he's like, What? And then I like move my hands and the water's just spraying out, and he's like, Oh crap! And he runs in and I'm like, It's hot, it's burning my hands. And he's like, Well, stop holding it. And so it was like, it was a whole thing. So everything kind of turned off. My mom was mad, I ruined Easter. It was a whole thing. So, you know, having somebody that you know that you can call in those situations is really important, you know. I mean, that's just a funny story for something like this, but you don't they may not be pretty You got useful sponsors, so anyone can go to these socials now.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

It's not just realtors. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 23:02

Totally. And then the one thing to add to that is there are a lot of networking events. We know this. We know that the chamber has been hosting networking events for years and years and years. So it's nothing new. Our kind of special secret thing is that we are an open, fun networking and social. So what you'll actually see if you go to the events, first off, we have new people every single month. So it's never really the same crowd, those people again, but new people in the door. But you'll see retirees, you'll see Walmart employees, you'll see teachers all coming out to have a fun time because it really is fun. And so it's not as business-y as you think, business card for business card. It's more fun than that. It's a lot more, it's a lot more engaging. And you know, Johnny, who retired last year, who has less to do, loves to come out and have a drink and have fun. And then he meets the plumber, and he's the perfect client for the plumber. And there's not always, hey, I'm trying to promote my business, you're trying to promote your business, but we're acting there's there's an openness to the connection and an authenticity to that. So it's been really cool.

SPEAKER_01 24:03

Okay, so I want to talk about trends in the market. So I assume you sell real estate all over Northwest Arkansas, all over Northwest Arkansas, yes. So what are the new hotspots outside of Bentonville? Because I live in Centerton and it's kind of crazy. I know Bella Vistas. I mean, people are always pushing out once because Bentonville is crazy expensive. It is really, really expensive. What about are there any other cities outside of Bentonville Rogers that are trending right now?

SPEAKER_04 24:35

I've got a question for you. I'm glad you asked. Okay. I'm going to answer a question with a question.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

I like it.

SPEAKER_04 24:40

Here's your question. Which pair of smaller cities in northwest Arkansas is expected to see over 300% growth by 2050? Centerton and P Ridge, Highville and Greenland, Farmington and Elkins, or Gravit and Prairie Grove.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

All I'm going to go Centerton Pea Ridge, but maybe it is all of them.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

What was the last one? Elkins and what? Highful?

SPEAKER_04 25:03

Farmington and Elkins and then Gravit and Prairie Grove.

SPEAKER_02 25:06

It's one of those two. I think it's P Ridge and Centerton. It's either one of the things.

SPEAKER_04 25:10

Your answer's locked in.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

I think it's like all of them. Okay, I'm going to pick number one.

SPEAKER_04 25:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

No, no, no, no. I'm going to pick, I'm sorry, I'm going to pick the Gravit, whatever the Gravit one was. Gravit one? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:22

Cool.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

Gravit and Prairie Grove.

SPEAKER_04 25:23

All growing areas. Cinnerton and P Ridge has already reached a big growth, so they're not going to grow by 300%. So the correct answer is actually Highville and Greenland. What? You know, Greenland south of Fayetteville, a lot of land opportunities. So what you'll see soon is a lot of builders breaking ground on different projects on you know 20, 40, 100 acre projects, and kind of using the different highway accesses as easy transport into Fayetteville. Similar to the way Farmington and Prairie Grove have been, you'll see that through Greenland.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

What's the average home price here now? I thought it was like$350.

SPEAKER_04 25:58

Is that no, it's higher than$400.

SPEAKER_01 26:00

Are you serious?

SPEAKER_04 26:01

It ebbs and flows, but give it$425 is probably a correct answer.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

When I moved here about nine years ago, there were hardly any houses in that range.

SPEAKER_04 26:14

So you live in Centerton and I live in Betonville. You're in Bentonville. Okay, yeah. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:20

Our house has gone from our house has quadrupled in value.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

We're close to we've got that Bettonville zip code. Yeah, we got 72712. We're close. Yeah. We're not far from here. I kick myself for not buying downtown. Yeah. But I wanted amenities of a neighborhood. I'm like, damn.

SPEAKER_04 26:39

I wouldn't trade our neighborhood for the world. We're we're off of we're in Quail Ridge off of Greenhouse Road. So yeah. And oh the kids, they play, they ride bikes. It's amazing. So yeah, I wouldn't trade that. You asked a question, I think, off-air about affordability. I don't I don't think there's a correct answer to affordability in the area. One of my friends, Zach Stanley, is a realtor. He's a pretty popular realtor on Instagram. So I'll give him a little shout out. He recently announced that they're partnering with a building company. I don't know what it's called out loud because I've only read it, but Familios. And they are building affordable housing in Bella Vista, starting in the low 300,000s, making it very easy to be able to be approved for loans for uh lower income housing. Yeah. It's crazy that 300k is lower income housing, but it is.

SPEAKER_01 27:29

Honestly, because my first house was like half of that.

SPEAKER_04 27:34

Yeah, it was very regular to see a house for two.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 27:38

150,000 was a normal house, and now it's three, three fifty.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

That's what I paid inner city Dallas when I bought a home 15 years ago.

SPEAKER_04 27:46

You should have kept that house.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

I know. I know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

It's so wild when you think about how houses appreciate and cars depreciate.

SPEAKER_01 27:57

I'm I am emotionally attached to my first house. Every time I go to Dallas, I drive my kids by it. I'm like, I still love my old neighborhood. It was it's all ranch style houses because it used to be lake houses because it's near White Rock Lake. So there was like that was north, even though it's inner city when Dallas was first, you know, a a city White Rock, you probably don't know where it is, but it was considered like, you know, basically uh going out, right? The suburbs. And so these were all like you know, like homes that were vacation homes or lake houses. Yeah, and so they are really tiny. My house was like 1,300 square feet, no garage, no attic, a carpet. Yes, no storage. Our bathroom, our master bathroom was 50 square feet. I'm not exaggerating. It was so tiny. And I think people were smaller bathrooms.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

You and Elliot lived when you were first married, 1950s house.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

Yeah. We gutted in the 1950s. Yeah, we're from the 1950s. What's happening here? No, but it's interesting to me because that's that's what everyone does in the city. They just gut these old houses. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

And our first house was ranch style too. Really?

SPEAKER_01 29:05

I still love a ranch style house.

SPEAKER_02 29:07

We had a metal roof. Don't overdo that. I do not recommend that. Oh, no way. Yeah, yeah. Metal roof. I used to work for John Brown University.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

So metal roofs are pretty popular though for Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

Let me tell you though, in the in during storm season, not so fun. So loud. Oh, so loud. And the house we had, though, they had like extra insulation put in when it was built or when they did the metal roof. And so it wasn't as loud as it could have been. So it was it was a wild experience.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

I stayed in a cabin with a metal roof in Arkansas, and it was it hailed and it was crazy. You're like, I'm gonna die! I know my kids were freaking out.

SPEAKER_04 29:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

I was driving my kids where I lived in college. That the apartment I lived in college was was above the chamber in Silem Springs. It's this really cool house at the end of Main Street, and it sits on like a little bit of a hill, and it overlooks like all of downtown Silem Springs. It's really cool. And we lived in the top apartment up there. Talk about storms, we're crazy then. Anyway, but back to yeah, go find it.

SPEAKER_04 30:15

I did co-found and I'm the principal broker at a brand new firm that we started in 2025 called Front Porch Real Estate. I love that. So I'm now more on the leadership side, less on the selling side. We have some pretty awesome things in the works, like a partnership with a home builder called Hometown Collective, who's doing kind of tackling a different thing. We talked about affordability. They're building focused more in infill Fayetteville projects. So providing more, building more townhouse style projects in walkable areas in Fayetteville. So you know, Fayetteville's also growing downtown, close to college. So a lot of college students will be able to live, be able to walk and kind of navigate the city a little more. And I think that's the next step for us. We're a big city, guys. We're a big area now. Yeah, we're becoming that. So, how can we make Fayetteville, Bentonville more walkable? Bentonville's done a great job, but Fayetteville more walkable for students and young people, and and that will kind of generate more opportunities for businesses as well, and things like that. So that's something we're doing. We've got a few different projects launching with Hometown Collective, one on College Avenue, one on school avenue. Again, very popular areas, easy to navigate. Those would be really cool. We're excited to launch that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

That's really awesome. I think a good walkable neighborhood is valuable to a community. Really in front of people, it's so important.

SPEAKER_04 31:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

I really am now. Oh, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 31:36

I was just gonna say it's the difference in getting out and going to do things versus staying home. Yeah, versus not is completely different.

SPEAKER_02 31:43

Yeah. The neighborhood I live in was up for a rezoning and they wanted to rezone it to a walkable neighborhood. And our I was I was not really against it, but people in my neighborhood were very much against it, and it didn't pass.

SPEAKER_04 31:58

So why what was the biggest reason for being against it?

SPEAKER_02 32:02

Uh I think a lot of people were worried that our homes were gonna be taken away, and so that was kind of the thing. And I think some of the people didn't want to be situated right next to uh massive apartment complexes, which I get, but also I mean, you know, the big heart hospital is now going to be in my backyard, so it's kind of like I wish my neighborhood was worse. Yeah, yeah, you are. You are very much highway locked.

SPEAKER_01 32:33

So close to the neighborhoods where everyone bikes and can hop on the trail. And I really hope that they connect us to a trail soon. Yeah. Because you can just you just hear either at night you hear wolves or coyotes or cows. Like there are no city and you see Friday night lights, you'll hear Bittonville West.

SPEAKER_03 32:51

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

You either hear football, cows, or coyotes. But it's not pedestrians, it's just it's a gated neighborhood, so I mean that is nice, but I do wish we could hop on a bike and just go to downtown. I'm hoping it comes out to us, but we'll see. Yeah, but yeah, walkability is nice. I know that my mom wants a town home. So I love that that's kind of coming more to the area because she had a really hard time finding that here. I'm not in downtown Bentonville. Yes, not in downtown Bentonville.

SPEAKER_04 33:20

Younger people and then people kind of in the older ages love the townhouses easy to take care of. That's something closer to the city.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

I would love to live in a townhouse someday. So, what do you what do you love about real estate? What do you love about what you do and marrying the cup? The two things that you're doing. You have the real estate side of things, you have community building with um the patio social. Like what is it that you love about these things that you're doing?

SPEAKER_04 33:46

Obviously, it's super fulfilling to always be interacting with people and not be behind the desk, behind the computer for work. And so for me, just personally, I I enjoy that a lot. For me as an entrepreneur, I love the branding aspect. So when you when when I create a company, we're always gonna lean heavy into the brand, how we appear on social media, things like that. Front porch real estate's awesome. We actually have a rocking chair as our logo. So we're putting the rocking chair everywhere, which is cool on our hats, on our website, everything. So stuff like that. I like the branding and and the marketing side of the businesses. And so it's been really cool with Patio Social. We we get to do so many collaborations. Yeah. Patio Social is the reason I'm here right now with you guys, right? Um, and so we get to collaborate with you know the different downtowns and intertwining a little bit with the fashion week lately, and just like some different things, like just the collaboration aspect is so fun for me. It just gets me in the door with a lot of people. And I've I've everything, everything by the grace of God, like for me in the past 10 years of my life has come from networking, connecting with people. That's just every opportunity. Front porch real estate actually started because I connected with my co-owners through patio social. Yeah. So just cool things that just continue to compound.

Dream Home Styles And Personality

SPEAKER_02 34:57

Yeah. Well, and I love that patio social and front porch also are very what am I or just what am I what's the word I'm looking for? Cohesive? They're they're cohesive, there's some synergy. Yeah, there's synergy. That's the word I was trying to think of. And I and I love that because it's very much like very southern. We love a patio. Yeah, we love a patio. We love a front porch. We love uh we love getting outside. And you know, now that it's spring, it's beautiful outside for the most part. I mean, we get the rain still, but okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:28

Before we wrap up, I want to ask him because I love to kind of figure out what kind of house style. Okay, so that is your favorite.

SPEAKER_02 35:36

It's all about the houses to like the houses.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

I I love watching TikTok when it's like temporary versus traditional farmhouse, French chateau, like you're this or that. So I want to know if you had budget was not a problem, you could build whatever style house that your heart desired. What style of house are you building? You building a chateau? Are you building a modern mansion? What what house are you building?

SPEAKER_04 36:01

It's hard to take practicality out of it. I think my wife and I would go with something more modern, but if I were to just pick go a centric millionaire. Yeah, if I were to just pick and cost wasn't an issue, I'd say a Spanish style home with a clay roof, kind of palm trees, you know, kind of a nice front, you know, second-level porch, right? That you can overlook, some land. That that's my choice. I think you love it. I gotta I'd like for y'all to answer that question too. Oh, tutor style. Tutor style.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

Yeah, done.

SPEAKER_01 36:33

Okay. Done and done. I'm going Art Deco.

SPEAKER_02 36:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:42

For my first home, I'm gonna go because I'm in the dream. I'm building a few.

SPEAKER_02 36:46

This is like if you're now oh yeah, you're building.

SPEAKER_01 36:50

So this is the not just one. She has multiple. Okay, so my my homestead would be a French chateau with a vineyard.

SPEAKER_02 37:00

Of course.

SPEAKER_01 37:01

And I would like to go with a dark gothic academia style. I'm really digging the old, like, you know how everything went very minimal? I also did that. And now I'm sick of the minimal. I don't want to go maximalist, but I really like the dark. I want rooms that evoke emotion, and I want more focus on actual artwork, not nothing against because it artwork is expensive.

SPEAKER_04 37:27

Artwork, textures, colors throughout the house.

SPEAKER_01 37:30

Kind of like what you just did to your room. Yeah, I just remodeled the library and I went very dark. But I color drenched. Yes. I do love a modern home though. So our house was built to be kind of modern farmhouse style, but I've designed I've decorated it differently. At the time, it was very popular style because Chip and Joanna Gaines. Everyone told me, and I didn't even know who that was when we moved in. This was a while ago. So, oh, your house is very chip and Joanna Gaines. And I was like, who? Like, you don't know who that is? Obviously, now I do.

SPEAKER_03 37:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:00

And I love that style, ship lap. But we've kind of anyway, we're taking it back to more French style.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

I do like a little bit more maximalist look than the minimalist personal.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

But no, I for a long time with little kids, actually, modern is nice.

SPEAKER_02 38:16

Yes. Truth.

SPEAKER_01 38:18

Because for a while, clutter just gives me anxious gave me anxiety. Right now. So anyway, I had to ask that question because I think it's telling to someone's personality. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 38:29

So what did you learn about our personalities just now?

SPEAKER_01 38:32

Well, our deco, I see for you. You are very colorful and outgoing. And actually, you gave me more of a chill vibe. You you know what from that I take you like to enjoy your life. You went with Spanish style. It goes with porches and happy hour.

SPEAKER_02 38:48

Yeah, it does.

SPEAKER_01 38:49

Right? Enjoying life. You work to live, not live to work. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 38:54

I like to invoke that feeling of vacation in my day for sure.

SPEAKER_02 38:59

We're really gonna call you vacation pat now, too. Patio Pat and Vacation Pat. Yeah. So okay. I also just as we've been sitting here and talking to you and saying patio so many times, I was like, oh my gosh, Pat Patio.

SPEAKER_01 39:13

Drinks and drank every time someone said patio.

SPEAKER_02 39:15

Did that really come from your name, or was it just a coincidence?

SPEAKER_04 39:19

No, it was a coincidence. Okay. But it has worked. You got fashionably well. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:23

I know. Well, every time he said patio, I'm like, oh, Pat patio, Pat, oh gosh, we are saying Pat a lot. A lot.

SPEAKER_01 39:29

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 39:30

A lot a lot. I think it was when you said that I say Pat a lot. I was like, Pat. Now you do.

SPEAKER_01 39:35

We've had to ask one more question before we'll let you plug everything in your businesses. What is your favorite thing about Northwest Arkansas? Ooh.

SPEAKER_04 39:44

Okay, yeah. My favorite thing about Northwest Arkansas is Us. I know. It's great. You guys are climbing. Obviously.

SPEAKER_02 39:52

For sure. Sorry, a little saucy.

SPEAKER_04 39:55

Besides Brock's music, besides being on this podcast, there was a statistic years ago that said that our Northwest Arkansas had more nonprofits per capita than any area in the country. I have not looked into that to see if that's true or not. That stuck in my mind. And what that showed me is we have a very business rich community, a lot of go-getters. We also have a lot of people with big hearts. So I love that everyone leans in to nonprofit work, supporting small business and stuff like that. And I see it time and time again. Go north up to Joplin. There's not much going on compared to what we got going here. Go south to my old town, Tyler. There's not much going on. Here we have a lot of action happening, a lot of things being created and growing. And that's just, I mean, that's just it means more to me than anything.

SPEAKER_01 40:44

Yeah. That's great. So tell our listeners where they can find you online. Share your handles for your businesses and your social accounts.

SPEAKER_04 40:52

Okay. Most importantly, if you'd like to see more about the communities that our builder partners are putting out and stuff, you can go to frontporchnwa.com to see all of our next coming events. We launch them one month at a time. Patiocommunity.com. You can sign up for free, pre-register, whatever you'd like to do. If you want to go on social media for patio, it's at patio community. And the Facebook group is the NWA Patio Community. And then Front Porch is Front Porch NWA. And that's it. That's a lot. So all right.

SPEAKER_01 41:22

Well, we'll catch you out on the front porch sometime. We'll catch you on the patio. Yeah, catch you on the patio. Pat on the patio. Thank you, Pat. Hey, thanks so much for listening today. If you liked what you heard, please consider subscribing to the podcast so you never miss an episode. You can also follow us on Instagram at People of NWA. Thanks so much.

SPEAKER_00 41:38

People of Northwest Arkansas with the two Danielles, produced by me, Brock Short of Brock Entertainment. Please rate, review, and like us on any podcast platform where you listen. For more information about today's guests and the show, please check the show notes. Thanks for listening.